Manual trackbacks
Terry at The Storm on the Democratic party and young Black folks
Rayne at Rayne Today, partly because she's as much of a walking extension of the United Nations as my daughter is, is looking for common ground.
S-Train at The S-Train Canvass gets honest about his feelings for America, and his feelings about those who doubt them. And you should be glad he talked to his grandmother instead of me.
And here's a track-forward.
I'll be reading some stuff that came up in connection with a post by Henry Farell at Crooked Timber:
Beating the system
Posted by Henry
Jon blogs below about winning office with a mere plurality, which touches on issues that political scientists, and theorists of a certain bent, have thought a lot about. Kenneth Arrow’s “impossibility theorem,” which I’ve blogged about before, indicates that if you make certain reasonable assumptions about people’s preferences, no possible voting system (or other means of social choice) can be expected to aggregate people’s preferences without distorting them. This suggests, according to the late William Riker, that democracy is bogus.
Riker argues that there’s no such thing as the “will of the people” - the result of any vote is as much a product of how choices are presented to people as the actual preferences of the electorate. The message is simple - there ain’t no such thing as a perfect electoral system.
…So does this mean that democracy is a sham? That’s certainly the traditional interpretation. However, there’s also an alternative interpretation, which has recently started to generate some buzz among rational choice political scientists. On this interpretation, Riker’s critique points instead to the need to enhance democracy, by privileging deliberation - deep conversation and discussion, where people try to resolve political controversies through reasoned debate - rather than voting. At least in theory, deliberation isn’t vulnerable to the sorts of problems that Arrow and Riker identify.
The argument goes that even if deliberation is unwieldy as a primary form of political decision making - it’s awkward, messy and takes too long - it can work well as a form of “second order choice.” In other words, deliberation is a lousy way for people to take day-to-day political decisions, but it potentially allows people to decide over the different (imperfect) ways in which they can take these day-to-day decisions.
This is right in line with what I've been thinking about,and trying to do here.
The really cool thing is Kieran Healy continued the theme on
his blog and
Crooked Timber.
Deliberative Democracy and Social Choice
Posted by Kieran
If you’re interested in the relation between deliberative democracy and social choice theory, which Henry has just written about, then you might want to read an interesting and constructive paper by two of my new colleagues here at the RSSS, John Dryzek and Christian List. The paper, “
Social Choice Theory and Deliberative Democracy: A Reconciliation” [pdf] just appeared in the British Journal of Political Science.
And in the comments, one Chirag Kasbekar linked to a
tremendous resource on this kind of stuff.
You think I get full of myself over mathematical metaphors? Ha. Prepare to get the
shit bored out of you!
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