It's getting deep up in here.
Did you read Cobb's The Mystery of the Black Blogger? Go check it again. The comment thread continues, and is very, very good. Probably because Oliver Willis linked to it, it was visited by the estimable Steven Den Beste, who gives a succint example of the reason I refer to "us" as Black rather than African American.
The true answer to that last question can only be given by a cop from two blocks away.
The other interesting statement Mr. Den Beste makes is:
I am absolutely taking him at his word here, because I feel the same, as long as race isn't the topic. I don't exclude people from the discussion, but the topic is inherently subjective, so I have to take a person's experiences into account in valuing their statement.
Their acts, on the other hand, speak for themselves, as always.
As I read Cobb's post and his responses to his commenters, it took a while for me to decide how to describe his handling of the topic…"better than I did" was the first phrase that came to mind, which is not my favorite phrase to say the least. I think it it struck me that way because my own response was seriously impersonal.
Which brings us to Glenn's contribution.
I got motives. Glenn has specified a subset of them. Acting on my motives means making a rational, realistic, non-hysterical view of Black folks current among mainstream folks and making a rational, realistic, non-hysterical view of mainstream folks current among Black folks. We need both and ain't got neither. A public discussion like this one is a possible vehicle to these ends…it shows the non-hysterical views are possible.
Once the non-hysterical views are in place then it will be possible to figure out a way to a racial rapprochement. And we need one…it is no exaggeration to say the lack of a racial rapprochement was key in allowing certain extremists to take over our government and culture (see "Southern Strategy").
As for our ghetto cousins, they may not be blogging but they're online. Trust me. I've actively chosen not to present the views of that segment of the community as expressed in certain mailing lists because I'd be too busy explaining how people I don't necessarily agree with can see things the way they do to get around to my own positions.
They have, but the Black folks you're seeing on social and political blogs are those who actively participate in the mainstream and feel like they have some input. That's just not a large segment of the Black communities.
There seems to be a BUNCH of Black gay bloggers. They fall into the "looking for a connection" category. And Black people whose blogs are personal journals are legion as well. If I make my experimental blog public, I'll probably link to the wittier journal-bloggers from there. Having only the opinions of folks like me in the mix makes for a serious distortion.
The discussion is started. Like all blog discussions, it will run a course and come to an end.
As to matches and the fire, I'm not feeling that as the metaphor.
I'd be willing to bet that every Black blogger and most Black folks who blog counts him or herself as an independent voice. The odds of gathering them into a single voice is like zero. I think the better metaphor is an electronic circuit, made of many kinds of components, each with their own nature (and even different capacities among those of the same nature), connected, each processing the juice and passing it along, each necessary for the correct operation of the circuit.
This is kind of connected to something in Cobb's response:
For the moment, I think I'll leave that as the last thought, for my consideration as well.
Posted by P6 at September 16, 2003 12:06 PM | Trackback URL: http://www.prometheus6.org/mt/mt-tb.cgi/1667My immediate response is "No, I don't think we need a joint blog of color" but "Yes, I love what George is doing at Negrophile."
I'm curious as to what might constitute being classified as "our ghetto cousins" and even more curious about the differences in the way that people use these blog tools.
I know I consider my site a journal with bloggish tendencies and I think the vast majority of the "black bloggers" I link to are of that ilk and there are a lot more out there.
I'm also very much intrigued by the responses of those who are looking from the larger community in.
Maybe I'll actually get to writing my thoughts on the subject sometime today.
The funny thing is, I think of this site as a journal with bloggish tendancies, at least to some degree…this stuff is just the sort of thing I think about. I bitched a little while back about it not feeling sufficient and started work on an alternate space.
That's one of the reasons I'm interested in hearing from folks that run both types of blogs. I'm wondering why they feel two were necessary, or desireable or whatever. For my part I feel there's a real disconnect (both in the real world and my head) between my major fields of interest. I have something of a personal synthesis going on, but…
I don't think there's a need for a group blog specific to Blackfolks, but I don't see a need for A Fistful Of Euros, or the Volokhs, or Crooked Timber etc. either. I don't know that I'd want to start one but I'm not averse to participating in one. I'm still thinking about Vision Circle.
Negrophile is neither blog nor journal. Functionally, it's a news clipping service. The RSS feed is what my Moreover Black interests news feed aspires to be when it grows up. Yet as I sit here I find the difference is a matter of balance. Most blogs have journal aspects, most journals rant about something in the news occasionally.
I could do a review of Negrophile, and it would be like a movie review in that it would be arguably correct while having little to do with the way it's actually received by folks who read it.
Anyway, I would like your perspective on all this, Jason. I read Aaron's reaction to Cobb's post, including the old thread he had to deal with, so I'm not expecting him…