Prometheus 6

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psalm 139:14

the difference between a scientist and a religist is just not that great. Neither can really show their work without basing it on a fallible model.

"Neither can really show their work without basing it on a fallible model."

Maybe, but science is based on replicable models not faith in the infallibility of a model or models. Scientific models are only fallible in a contingent sense.

I'm not sure about that, ptc. Many a scientist at least seem to behave as though their model(s) are infallible.

The difference between science and religion is greater than the difference between scientists and religists.

Most folk are neither, though. Most folk are tool users, picking whichever works right now.

I can't remember where I heard/read this from, but both science and religion are based on something invisible - like, religion can't "prove" the existence of god(des)(s) and science can't prove where all their laws come from. I mean, we all know that most believe in an invisible god, right. Well, I read some article - on a progressive/liberal cite or paper I think - that scientist can't demonstrate why the rules they discover work/hold.

I feel like I'm not making sense. If that's the case, tomorrow, I'll see if I can find the piece I'm referring to.

Scientist aren't concerned about the metaphysical question of "why" their methods or results hold. Science is about evidence and repeatability.

There is an underlying question of what is knowledge/evidence, but these epistemological questions are also outside the realm of science.

"Many a scientist at least seem to behave as though their model(s) are infallible."

Boorishness is not a quality from which scientists are exempt. The issue is not the degree of their certainty about this or that theory or explanation for certain phenomenon but whether or not their claims can be verified by their colleagues. Einstein's theory of special relativity seemed true to many theoretical physicists but it took scientists conducting actual field experiments to confirm Einstein's theory.

Faith in the mercy of God transcends logic and rational thought.

Faith in the mercy of God transcends logic and rational thought.

What does that mean? I have reached the uncomfortable conclusion that "transcend" means "pretend it doesn't exist." That's bad enough with race...with rationality it's just plain unacceptable.

Logic I can give up on periodically.

Faith is not belief. Faith does not require proof. Faith in God is independent of logic and reason. Faith in a loving and merciful God is a cornerstone of Christianity.
"Faith is an act of a finite being who is grasped by, and turned to, the infinite." - Paul Tillich.

We have reached the point where I gotta back away. If I speak in deist  terms it misleads and if I don't it insults...neither of which is my intent.