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Week of November 06, 2005 to November 12, 2005Boston Globe stole my lineSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 12, 2005 - 12:45pm.
on Politics Quotes of note "Today, when most of the country thinks of who controls Massachusetts, I think the modern-day KKK comes to mind, the Kennedy-Kerry Klan."
Only 36% of Americans are currently stupidSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 12, 2005 - 11:59am.
on Politics Quote of note: Fifty-two percent of Americans believe Cheney “deliberately misused or manipulated pre-war intelligence about Iraq’s nuclear capabilities in order to build support for war,” including 22 percent of Republicans and 54 percent of independents...When asked whether anyone in the administration “acted unethically” in the case involving the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame’s name, a 54-percent majority of Americans said they did—and 30 percent of Republicans said they did. And 45 percent of Americans believe someone in the “Bush administration broke the law and acted criminally”—including 22 percent of Republicans Autumn of Discontent Y'all are genuinely starting to piss me offSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 12, 2005 - 11:54am.
on Race and Identity U.S. Orders College to Drop Fellowships For Minorities CARBONDALE, Ill., Nov. 11 -- Federal prosecutors are threatening to sue Southern Illinois University over three scholarship programs aimed at women and minorities, calling them discriminatory. SIU "has engaged in a pattern or practice of intentional discrimination against whites, non-preferred minorities and males," the Justice Department said in a letter, a copy of which was obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times. The graduate scholarships, or fellowships, violate Title VII of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, the department said. The letter said Justice's civil rights division will sue SIU if it does not discontinue the programs by next Friday. DuhSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 12, 2005 - 10:11am.
on For the Democrats Quote of note: Conservative evangelical churches were able to deliver voters for Bush in much the same way, and for much the same reasons, that labor unions and political machines like New York's Tammany Hall were once able to deliver votes for the Democrats: They offer material benefits to people with nowhere else to turn, and that is easily parlayed into votes at election time. 'Faith talk' and Tammany Hall DEMOCRATS SHOULD be wary of jumping to conclusions in the wake of Democrat Timothy Kaine's Virginia gubernatorial victory. Kaine didn't shy away from discussing his religious beliefs during his campaign, and this seems to be leading party strategists to conclude that Democrats can win in culturally conservative states if they talk about deeply held religious beliefs. Gotta love them moralsDeLay Team Weighed Misdemeanor Plea to Save GOP Post Lawyers for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) tried unsuccessfully in late September to head off felony criminal indictments against the then-majority leader on charges of violating Texas campaign law by signaling that DeLay might plead guilty to a misdemeanor, according to four sources familiar with the events. The lawyers' principal aim was to try to preserve DeLay's leadership position under House Republican rules that bar lawmakers accused of felonies from holding such posts. DeLay was forced to step down as leader on Sept. 28 after the first of two grand jury indictments. Feel free to identify as many of these genetic differences as possibleSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 11, 2005 - 5:21pm.
on Health | Race and Identity Just make sure you let me know about it. Quote of note: “The inflammatory pathway probably developed as a protective response to micro-organisms; and as populations inhabited very different areas, the micro-flora they encountered was vastly different,” he says. “That may be the reason for the differences in frequency of the variant.” Heart risk gene hits African Americans hardest A gene commonly found in Americans of European descent can be deadly when carried by African Americans, a new study has revealed. The gene variant more than triples the risk heart attack in African American populations, the researchers found. I'm not trying to rewrite historyI'm trying to find out what the damn history is. Bush Forcefully Attacks Critics of His Strategy in Iraq President Bush lashed out today at critics of his Iraq policy, accusing them of trying to rewrite history about the decision to go to war and saying their criticism is undercutting American forces in battle. "While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began," the president said in a Veterans Day speech in Pennsylvania. Mr. Bush delivered his aggressive and unusually long speech as part of an effort to shore up his credibility as he faces growing public skepticism about Iraq and accusations by Democrats and others that he led the nation into war on false pretenses. Just stirring shit upSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 11, 2005 - 12:00pm.
on Open thread Don't you think the Conservative crowd looks at Paris and feels the same chill down its collective spine the Founding fathers felt when looking at Haiti? And it's the damn French again! (I actually have something simmering subsconsiously, working title "Progressive Textualism." It's sort of blocking any major output...hence the open thread.) I believe that's what's called a curseSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 11, 2005 - 10:27am.
on Onward the Theocracy! Quote of note: Robertson made headlines this summer when he called on his daily show for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. — Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design. All eight Dover, Pa., school board members up for re-election were defeated Tuesday after trying to introduce "intelligent design" — the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power — as an alternative to the theory of evolution. Politicians who don't believe in a positive role for government shouldn't be allowed to design new government programsQuote of note: The smart thing to do, for those who could afford it, would be to buy supplemental insurance that would cover the doughnut hole. But guess what: the bill that established the drug benefit specifically prohibits you from buying insurance to cover the gap. [TS] Op-Ed Columnist: The Deadly Doughnut Registration for Medicare's new prescription drug benefit starts next week. Soon millions of Americans will learn that doughnuts are bad for your health. And if we're lucky, Americans will also learn a bigger lesson: politicians who don't believe in a positive role for government shouldn't be allowed to design new government programs. Before we turn to the larger issue, let's look at how the Medicare drug benefit will work over the course of next year. Man, you are determined to paint America as the slouching beast from some dank corner in HellQuote of note:
Senate Approves Limiting Rights of U.S. Detainees I'm pretty sure "the will of the people" won't survive the legal challengeSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 11, 2005 - 7:47am.
on News Quote of note: Plaintiffs in the lawsuit -- filed in the first district state Court of Appeal in San Francisco -- also include California Association of Firearm Retailers, two other organizations and seven individual gun owners. They argue that the new handgun ban is virtually identical to a 1982 ordinance that was struck down by the appellate court on the ground that it conflicted with state law. ELECTION 2005: San Francisco A true, loyal American speaks Talk host's towering rant: S.F. not worth saving Conservative talk-show host Bill O'Reilly is ready to scratch San Francisco off the map of the United States. Gone. Coit Tower? Terrorists can blow it up, and the rest of the country shouldn't care. The Fox News talk-show host and one-man conservative media juggernaut has concluded that the United States and San Francisco just don't go together anymore. Voting to oppose military recruitment in public schools and to ban handgun ownership, as San Franciscans did Tuesday, means the city should be cut off from federal dollars. And then some. David Brooks forced my handSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 10, 2005 - 9:30am.
on Race and Identity I had said TimesSelect wasn't all that attractive to me. I've been missing Bob Herbert and Paul Krugman but they're on the same side as I am, and I kind of feel like they're a strong backstop that I personally don't need. Then this popped up:
More evidence Conservatives and the DLC will form a third partySubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 10, 2005 - 7:18am.
on Politics The American S.S. is gonna bail on the Republican Party just like they did the Democratic Party. And Trent "Man, woman or minority" Lott will lead the way. VIDEO: Frist Leak Probe Backfires This morning, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) wrote a letter to intelligence committee chairmen about the recent leak of information to the Washington Post about secret CIA detention centers in Europe. In the letter, Frist and Hastert claimed the leaks “could have long-term and far-reaching damaging and dangerous consequences” for the security of the United States, and warned of a “dangerous trend” of leaking “that, if not addressed swiftly and firmly, likely will worsen.” But today, in an off-camera meeting with reporters, Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) revealed that the leak likely came from a Senator or Senate staffer who attended a GOP-only meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney last week, where the detention centers were discussed. CNN’s Ed Henry has the full report: Corporate welfare at its finestQuote of note:
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Come on. This is the United States of America. "Promoting private ownership" is like promoting bipedal locomotion in humans. The real idea here is to fund further irrational tax cuts by selling our property at bargain basement prices. Two sell-outs for the price of one. Bill Would Sell Land Promised to D.C. Tucked inside a huge budget bill headed for an upcoming House vote is a provision that could spur the federal government to sell off millions of acres of public land to mining interests, marking a major shift in the nation's mining policy. I have to take every opportunity to agree with David Broder I can findSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 10, 2005 - 5:30am.
on Politics ...the opportunities being so rare and all.
Why Vote on Tuesdays? If Andrew Young has his way, never again will we have a Tuesday election. The former mayor of Atlanta and ambassador to the United Nations wants to switch the nation's voting to the weekend. On the nature of economic activity
A gamer who spent £13,700 on an island that only exists in a computer game has recouped his investment, according to the game developers.
The 23-year-old gamer known as Deathifier made the money back in under a year. The virtual Treasure Island he bought existed within the online role-playing game Project Entropia. He made money by selling land to build virtual homes as well as taxing other gamers to hunt or mine on the island. Project Entropia offers gamers the chance to buy and sell virtual items using real cash, a trend which is gaining popularity as the boundaries between the virtual and real worlds continue to blur. Hm...Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 9, 2005 - 2:44pm.
on Cartoons DETROIT—Nearly 50 years ago, Rosa Parks made history by refusing to give her seat to a white man on a segregated public bus in Montgomery, AL. This week, following the passing of the woman known as "the mother of the civil-rights movement," Americans from every walk of life—regardless of race, gender, or creed—can finally put the subject of racial equality behind them, once and for all. "During today's service, America not only bade farewell to a seamstress from Alabama," President Bush said at a special GOP fundraiser Monday evening, "America buried the idea of civil rights itself." Ideas on the back burnerSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 9, 2005 - 10:53am.
Once upon a time, back when The Atlantic's online presence was wide open, I used to participate in their forums. It started with a response to an article by Randall Kennedy titled, "My Race Problem -- And Ours." It was a lively discussion. At one point some guy said to me, "I assume you're one of those people that differences aren't inherited but are caused by socialization." I said I recognize traits can be inherited but we're not clear which traits those are. That we need to find what derives from our common human nature and find an explanation why white folks deviated in one direction and Black folks deviated in another. That sorta killed that particular branch of the thread. He means we pay other people to do itSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 9, 2005 - 9:19am.
on People of the Word | War Bush's Tortured Logic Just what did President Bush mean yesterday when he said: "We don't torture?" News outlets all over the world reported Bush's words as if they were definitive. But they are in fact enigmatic at best, because it's not at all clear what the president's definition of torture is. His comments came yesterday in a press availability with President Martin Torrijos in Panama, in response to a question about secret CIA prison camps and Vice President Cheney's crusade against legislation that would prohibit U.S. government employees from using cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Those who don't know the past......the past in this case being the Pentagon Papers.
Gentlemen, if accurate, the "far-reaching damaging and dangerous consequences" came about long before the Washington Post's article was published. Don't you realize the people you're afraid of don't get their information from the U.S. media? Seems someone overestimated the power of celebritySubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 9, 2005 - 8:13am.
on Politics Quote of note: "He never apologized once for trashing every one of us," said Mike Jimenez, president of the California Correctional Peace Officers Assn. "And I can tell you, tomorrow we're not going to apologize for the way this election turned out. Tomorrow starts Round 2." Voters Reject Schwarzenegger's Bid to Remake State Government In a sharp repudiation of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Californians rejected all four of his ballot proposals Tuesday in an election that shattered his image as an agent of the popular will. Kansas votes to be stupid. Again.Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 9, 2005 - 7:54am.
on Education | Onward the Theocracy! Kansas education board downplays evolution TOPEKA, Kan. - Risking [P6: Risking? There's no risk here...] the kind of nationwide ridicule it faced six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public-school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution. The 6-4 vote was a victory for “intelligent design” advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power. Critics of the new language charged that it was an attempt to inject God and creationism into public schools, in violation of the constitutional ban on state establishment of religion. There's a surprise...Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 9:47pm.
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What do you think?Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 7:38pm.
on Race and Identity Check this thread at The Blogging of the President. a funny thing happened on the way to learning...Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 5:33pm.
a funny thing happened on the way to learning... by jamila I was embarrassed for me. for you. for all of us.
American Intrapolitics: Here's a reason the mainstream should make an effort to understand Black folks betterSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 4:41pm.
on Africa and the African Diaspora | Politics Because we will have more impact on the way the world develops than y'all. THE DIASPORA STRIKES BACK By Juan Flores ...In her book, The Transnational Villagers, on relations and interactions between Dominicans in Boston and the Dominican Republic, sociologist Peggy Levitt coins the term “social remittances.” She uses the term to account for the range of ways that individuals and communities in the diaspora send and bring back social values and experiences along with the concomitant repercussions of such flows when they land “back home.” Levitt writes of social remittances as “the ideas, behaviors, identities, and social capital that flow from host- to sending-country communities.” She calls for an understanding of how the social and cultural resources that migrants bring with them “are transformed in the host country and transmitted back to sending communities such that new cultural products emerge and challenge the lives of those who stay behind.” Using ethnography and interwoven life-stories, Levitt addresses forms of business practices, political participation and changing gender relations to illustrate the dynamic effects brought to Dominican social experience at a local level and in everyday life. Off the recordSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 2:04pm.
on Politics Every time I see those pictures of Scooter hobbling around on those crutches I think, "They must have had to beat the hell out of him to make him take the fall." Are you kidding? Look what happened to ScooterSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 1:48pm.
on War Negroponte won't back Cheney on torture WASHINGTON, Nov. 7 (UPI) -- U.S. intelligence czar John Negroponte is declining to support Vice President Dick Cheney's effort to exempt the CIA from law banning mistreatment of detainees. "It's above my pay grade," he told a secret briefing for Senators last month, Time Magazine reported Sunday, adding that Negroponte then "artfully dodged another question about whether the harsher interrogation tactics Cheney wants the agency to be free to use actually produce valuable intelligence." GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona has attached an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill which would specifically incorporate the Geneva Conventions' ban on cruel and degrading treatment of prisoners into U.S. law. But the vice-president and -- according to Time magazine -- Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone, have been lobbying against it on Capitol Hill, and the White House has threatened to veto the bill if the language is included. American Intrapolitics: Will Phil Jackson read it? Noooo....Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 9:07am.
on Race and Identity Oh, don't think I quoted anything like the whole article, or anywhere near the best points. And I hope Mr. Jackson tells us all about the email he gets in response to it. Quote of note:
Sacred ignorance I used to love H.I.M. He used to be my man 50 grand. The Revolverlutionary. The Phrenologist. I used to hold him down to no end. Triangle offense? Ride or die. Phil Jackson was the one dude, despite all his flaws, who I publicly protected and defended. Said nothing when others would criticize him or find fault with him. "Damn you, Red Auerbach!!!" I had to do that for him. I shared his last name. But over the years something's changed. Something's flipped. The openness, the acceptability of individualness, the personal liberalness -- all disappeared. It seemed that the minute Bill Clinton left office, Phil also left the building. Turned to the dark side, turned righteous, turned into Billy Graham, became … conservative. Which is cool, because as long as he kept winning basketball games, as long as he kept the Lakers relevant, everything was golden, all good, irie. Do or die, I had his back. In October 1999, these words came out of his mouth: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being." OK. Let that one slide. Chalk it up as generational hate. Cultural Alzheimer's. Then… In October 2005, these words came out of his mouth: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years." OK … the camel's thoracic and lumbar vertebrae just went into trauma. Forget a broken back, this is spondylitis. A disease. Now, I'm not calling Phil Jackson an Al Campanis, a Marge Schott or a Jimmy the Greek, but I will say for those comments he needs to meet the same fate. Not necessarily being fired -- something beyond that. At this point he should be placed in the same sports pantheon of bigots and frauds that have come along in this post-Adolf Hitler/Jesse Owens generation of athletics. "Limitation of their attention span … due to too much rap music"? "Prison garb and thuggery … that has come along with hip-hop music"? Forget calling the kettle black, let's just call the hypocrite white. Or should I say, hippie? One who was a member of an anti-American culture that made marijuana mainstream, one that dressed in Woodstock and Vietnam garb. Reality sucks, don't it?Quote of note: It's amazing to remember that when Mr. Bush first ran for president, he bragged about his understanding of Latin America, his ability to speak Spanish and his friendship with Mexico. But he also made fun of Al Gore for believing that nation-building was a job for the United States military. After President Bush's disastrous visit to Latin America, it's unnerving to realize that his presidency still has more than three years to run. An administration with no agenda and no competence would be hard enough to live with on the domestic front. But the rest of the world simply can't afford an American government this bad for that long. Oh, I'm just SO happy for themSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 8:17am.
on Economics Green monster invocation of note: Investment bankers are expected to receive increases of 10 percent to 20 percent in their year-end bonuses from a year ago. For a midlevel managing director in investment banking, that could mean total compensation of roughly $1.2 million to $1.8 million for the year. While such gains may not get them back to the go-go years of 1999 and 2000, it gets them much closer. I was on Wall Street (in operations, not sales, dammit) in the days when Goldman Sachs was handing out million dollar bonuses to trading assistants. I said it then and I'll say it again: you would only get to pay me one million dollar bonus. Anyway... Optimism on Wall Street Over Size of Bonuses After several years of being outshone by star traders, investment bankers stand to reap some of the biggest gains in Wall Street bonuses this year. Because we're tired of all these pictures leaking outSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 8:08am.
on War Oh, spare me...
Those "interrogation techniques" were "approved, up to the highest levels." And stop pretending to be surprised...this is exactlty what progressives said would happen when now-Attorney General Gonzalez' characterization of The Geneva Convention as "quaint" came to light. In Washington D.C., intelligence isn't about being smartSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 8, 2005 - 7:53am.
on War The Quote of note comes from the dread DITSUM No. 044-02 itself: “This is the first report from Ibn al-Shaykh in which he claims Iraq assisted al-Qaida’s CBRN [Chemical, Biological, Radiological or Nuclear] efforts. However, he lacks specific details on the Iraqis involved, the CBRN materials associated with the assistance, and the location where training occurred. It is possible he does not know any further details; it is more likely this individual is intentionally misleading the debriefers (emphasis added). Ibn al-Shaykh has been undergoing debriefs for several weeks and may be describing scenarios to the debriefers that he knows will retain their interest.” Lying with intelligence Things I foundSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 2:35pm.
on Open thread The Duke Ellington Society - An appreciation of the great Duke Ellington. Ella Fitzgerald: 1917-1996 - A loving tribute to the First Lady of Song. Ossie Davis reads Langston Hughes - Several "Simple" stories; the broken links make me unsure they're intended for current consumption, but... What? Christians with open minds seeking to be good stewards of the land? Is that a precedent we want to set?Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 11:04am.
on Onward the Theocracy! Quote of note
God's Politics With nearly 10,000 members, The Christian Alliance -- a new national spiritual organization dedicated to progressive causes, such as peace, gay rights, and environmental protection -- is challenging the stances held by the religious right through grassroots activism, national debate, and by reaching out to young people. You know what? I'm not gonna mess with her dreamSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 10:35am.
on Race and Identity DARK CURTAIN OF RACISM SOMETIMES OPENS TO THE LIGHT ...When Mrs. Parks refused to yield her seat that December day in 1955, she was regarded by local authorities as an outlaw. She was arrested. And there was no national outpouring of sympathy. President Eisenhower refused to make a strong public stand against segregation, and J. Edgar Hoover had already begun a campaign to smear civil rights activists as godless communists. Yet, last week, countless Washington notables came to bid Parks farewell. It was hard not to notice the layers of irony: Among those dignitaries was Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, hailed by hard-core conservatives as a jurist contemptuous of the sort of judicial "activism" that gave Parks full citizenship. Without federal judges who were courageous and farsighted, after all, Rice and I might still be sitting in the back of the bus. I understand Australia has lost its mind in similar fashionSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 10:13am.
on Culture wars | Onward the Theocracy! Perhaps it's a plague spread by linguistic contagion... Quote of note:
The right to revile religion IN BRITAIN, WHERE I just spent a busman's holiday, civil libertarians, religious leaders and even the comedian Rowan Atkinson are savaging Prime Minister Tony Blair for proposing to criminalize "incitement to religious hatred." American Intrapolitics: You SURE you want to freely discuss the differences between races Mr. Murray?Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 10:08am.
on Race and Identity No matter how you spin your justification, the actual actions that took place are no embarassment to Black folk. Quote of note:
'Save me, Joe Louis!' God sent it to punish sinners, correct?Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 9:18am.
on News Tornado Rips Through Ky., Ind.; 22 Killed A tornado with winds exceeding 158 mph ripped a path of destruction through western Kentucky and Indiana as residents slept early Sunday, reducing homes to splinters and leaving entire blocks of buildings in rubble. At least 22 people were killed and 200 others injured. Rescuers who reached the hard-hit Eastbrook Mobile Home Park shortly after 2 a.m. found children wandering in the broken glass and debris, looking for their parents, as parents called out for missing children. The government is discriminating agaianst Christians againSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 7, 2005 - 4:40am.
on Culture wars | People of the Word | War Quote of note:
Antiwar Sermon Brings IRS Warning Black Intrapolitics: I been thinkingSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 12:51pm.
on Culture wars If I could devise a way for the various folks that resist mainstream dominance in their various fashions to talk things out reasonably, I would be very, very happy. The Time I Got Arrested For Holding A DVD (Part 3)Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 11:53am.
I linked the last one in the series so you'd get all three parts. The Time I Got Arrested For Holding A DVD (Part 3) by The Assimilated Negro The Unlawful Arrest and Imprisonment of TAN Trilogy continues... Betcha...Submitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 10:35am.
on Politics Just a random thought... The other night Lou Dobbs answered an email from someone saying neither the Republican nor Democratic Parties are believable or acceptable with, "We're working on it." I believe him. I'm had the weird thought...which I am not endorsing...that the Conservative Party will wind up aligning with the DLC. I'd call it the Purple Party (the color you get when you take all the green out of white). He's a one-trick pony, one trick is all that whore can doSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 9:03am.
DeLay Uses Campaign Tactics to Fight Charges I am deeply disappointedSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 6:24am.
on News Quote of note: Lawyers for the state said no previous group has been allowed to protest on Capitol grounds unclothed. Those protesters who have disrobed were ordered to put their clothes on or face arrest. Stupid question of note:
Judge tosses a blanket on topless protest On the United NationsSubmitted by Prometheus 6 on November 6, 2005 - 6:06am.
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