The L.A. Times finally shows a little class

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on December 2, 2005 - 7:39am.
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Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 8:16am.

Perfect timing P6. This ambitious notion came into my newsreader from a peak oil list last night. As a relatively feeble student of American history, I thought I might submit it for cursory review and feedback here. Among other claims made at Homo Sapiens Americanus is the following;

The elite are force vectors in the American ecosystem. The forces they exert act over time, over many force vectors, slowly, to serve their own best interests. And not having the true history of America brought to the fore serves their interests.

THe rest of my documentary touches on ideas that many of you here already know about: the struggle between capital and labor that the elite seek to obscure; the development of propaganda tools to mold the culture over time; the economic propaganda.

However, the last part of my documentary will deal with how the elite diverted American leftism away from a broad based economics based leftism, and into an identity politics based leftism; one that made the blue collar white male the scapegoat for the race crimes of the elite, and one that inculcates a dislike, even a hatred of the blue collar whites into the "liberal" fauxleft political philosophy.

This seems to have started after WW2 with the CIA. No doubt many leftists know how the CIA created false front leftism in other countries after WW2, the better to thwart the rise of socialism.

Well, they did the same thing here in America: they diverted leftism into identity politics by funding leftists who thought in terms of identity politics, in terms of gender, race, sexuality.

Purported scope of the undertaking;

1: Dominance and Submission in Animals and Humans (uploaded)
2: White Slavery in Colonial America (uploaded)
3: Division of the Races by Colonial Elites
4: Black Slavery & the Founding Fathers
5: The Constitution: For the Elite, by the Elite
6: Capital vs Labor: The Struggle
7: Elite War Machine Propaganda
8: Elite Economics Propaganda
9: Identity Politics: The Ultimate Elite Strategy
10:Ideological Cattle: American Culture as Evolved by Elite Forces

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on December 2, 2005 - 8:48am.

I might not have a beef with the writer over there. Depends on how he handles it...I know I could write something similar.

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 9:54am.

Which brings me back to Gelernter...,

Do you consider the traditional societal force vectors to be in a state of palpable, albeit temporary uncertainty?

I consider the means entirely up in the air and somewhat out of traditional control. The question of means is largely open to scrutiny. OTOH, the intended ends, about which I can only speculate, also seem a tad uncertain at this juncture.

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 10:59am.

David Gelernter's entire article turns on a fallacy: the false notion that universities are bastions of liberalism. Any progressive African American who has worked at a college or university (I am now at my fourth institution since the seventies) knows this is a myth. Part of the problem has to do with how he defines liberalism. He doesn’t. And given the fascist ethos that pervades this country, a liberal now should be defined as one who offers you a drink before he lynches you. The term is as meaningless and empty as Gerlernter’s column. If this is what he writes about routinely, his absence should go unnoticed except by the hopelessly brain dead or brainwashed.

"Do you consider the traditional societal force vectors to be in a state of palpable, albeit temporary uncertainty?"

Every now and then something causes a disruption to the fluxion of the matrix and the glitch reveals the machinery, and the emperor in his beastial nakedness, and the faces of his henchmen and women bathed in the blood of their victims, but then there is a sudden flicker, the channel changes, desperate housewives cavort across the screen, someone scores a touchdown, the pizzaman delivers, the dopeman drops a dime, and the balance is restored.

Submitted by Temple3 on December 2, 2005 - 11:08am.

ahem, amen...thanks easy-O. ya naileded it.

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 11:11am.

Every now and then something causes a disruption to the fluxion of the matrix and the glitch reveals the machinery, and the emperor in his beastial nakedness, and the faces of his henchmen and women bathed in the blood of their victims, but then there is a sudden flicker, the channel changes, desperate housewives cavort across the screen, someone scores a touchdown, the pizzaman delivers, the dopeman drops a dime, and the balance is restored.

So the article was about use of the web. The same web giving the MPAA and the RIAA fits about now. The same web giving corporate and military security functionaries fits about now. The same web that enables me to effortlessly communicate with you and tap newsfeeds from Al-Jazeera and Asia Times. The same web that has drawn together from the masses a population of hackers many of whom are religiously dedicated to a paradigm at odds with traditional societal force vectors.

Who might you identify as the oppositional cultural equivalent to hackers during a previous historical juncture? Seems to me that the traditional force vectors have given rise to a not inconsequential group comprising the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix...,

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 11:14am.

ahem, amen...thanks easy-O. ya naileded it.

As my mentor Mr. Dixon is wont to say, it's past time for the preachers, lawyers, politicians, celebrities, and academicians to lead.., now is the moment for the technologists, and if we fail, so also will the mass, fail...,

Submitted by dwshelf on December 2, 2005 - 12:47pm.

David Gelernter's entire article turns on a fallacy: the false notion that universities are bastions of liberalism. Any progressive African American who has worked at a college or university (I am now at my fourth institution since the seventies) knows this is a myth. Part of the problem has to do with how he defines liberalism. He doesn’t.

He defines liberalism, O.  He defines it as the prevailing view from universities.

Indeed it's a vague term (as is conservatism), but, generally, universities are more comfortable with th epower of government, which they feel they can control, as opposed to the power of money, which flows to opportunity and thus is harder to control, and frequently has effects which are seen as inferior.

They share this perspective with most mainstream media.  A view that government should control the flow of money as a means to achieve desired goals.

Cyberspace is far more comfortable with analyzing the unimpeded flow of money, and providing lessons learned as education, such that productive people can and will be able to get sufficient money for themselves, and pass some of it along in ways which move others into being able to collect their own. Controlling the flow of money seems not only hard in this context, but generally undesirable. Money flows in quite optimal ways all by itself, there are very few opportunities to increase it.  There are plenty of ways to dam it up, but they all have the effect or reducing the flow, which yields less money for everyone.

Nothing to do with lynching. 

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 1:08pm.

Cyberspace is far more comfortable with analyzing the unimpeded flow of money, and providing lessons learned as education, such that productive people can and will be able to get sufficient money for themselves, and pass some of it along in ways which move others into being able to collect their own.

Do you think you might possibly, one day, maybe on a lark or something just for a change of pace not dependably represent for the hopelessly brain dead or brainwashed?

I genuinely didn't believe it possible, but by this verbose sentence runon above, you've demonstrated that you know less about the Internet than you know about black history shelf...,

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 1:22pm.

"The same web that has drawn together from the masses a population of hackers many of whom are religiously dedicated to a paradigm at odds with traditional societal force vectors."

Granted. But we should never lose sight of the fact: the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Also, as you have pointed out previously, the internet began within the military-industrial think tank. Since the public sector got the hook up, we have been given the false impression the genie has been let out the bottle. Is that true? Or is it part of Orwellian Big Bro schema. Either way, there's been a growing corporate takeover of the www after the people populated it. Bots are running wild in cyberspace collecting information on users for marketing (read: control and exploitation). We also know the feds (inept as they may be) have special hacktitude and the technology to go along with it. Who knows what's going on with chip manufacturing to expedite the process for governments to spy and exert subtle controls? Of course none of this means they ultimately will succeed.

"Who might you identify as the oppositional cultural equivalent to hackers during a previous historical juncture?"

Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman--runaways and underground railroad conductors hacked the slaveocracy aiding and abetting the escape of more than 50,000 from the matrix. Conjuremen like Haiti's Boukman. Nat Turner, who left a trail of bodies in his wake. Zumbi and Ganga Zumba in Brazil, the founders of Palmares. Maroons in Jamaica and Florida. Those who danced the night away in Congo Square summoning the ancestors and keeping us linked to them.

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 1:37pm.

DW ... What cnulan said in rebuttal ... read it again.

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 2:00pm.

Since the public sector got the hook up, we have been given the false impression the genie has been let out the bottle. Is that true?

It is true. NEVER confuse the rinkydink retail world-wide-web with the Internet. There are quite a few Internets that run parallel to one another and which can be and are freely traversed by the freeborn. 99.9999999% of coppertops don't know, will never know, and have no need to know about the subterranean multiverse comprising these here Internets.

Corporations, for example, comprise a distinct and collegial class of what I'm referring to as "freeborn" here. Some of the more serious big brother nets depend on the largesse of corporate hosts - like the Orwellian piece that runs on the infrastructure built up by airlines to support Sabre.

We also know the feds (inept as they may be) have special hacktitude and the technology to go along with it. Who knows what's going on with chip manufacturing to expedite the process for governments to spy and exert subtle controls? Of course none of this means they ultimately will succeed.

Nonsense brah. The retail porncores got more game than the NSA. We're not talking sigint here O, where the feds have a monopolistic preserve based on their joint cooperative control of satellites and high orbital space with selected corporations. Rather, we're talking about a grounded, subterranean nest of snakes that grows according to its own largely unregulated logic. I like to think of the Internet in Gibsonian terms. The government got eclipsed and superceded in this space as soon as the General Schedule pay scales got eclipsed by private sector engineering wage scales - and as you can surmise, that happened years ago. Certain corporations, and don't just think telcos here, went Wintermute, loa scale quite a loooong time ago. The feds are a negligible factor out in the deep space manifolds that these entities operate and comprise, they don't even have the mojo to perform regulatory safeguarding of most of these dimly charted expanses.

You would be shocked, simply shocked I tell you, if you knew how hat-in-hand big brother is in its dealings with the Wintermutes of the world. I completed a little consulting assignment a couple months ago in which the scurry men-in-black got treated like errant children by lawyers representing the interests of our mutual client.

Anyway, I absolutely love your historical example of the underground railroad. As an aside, I've always loved the irony of how the telecommunications infrastructure grew up on railroad right-of-ways. Again, you would be shocked, simply shocked I tell you - if you knew how much railroad scheduling and logistic code from decades ago is still running in the mainframe belly of many of these telecommunications and financial services beasts. How also the underground railroad of today infests and nests in that self-same would-be governance and control infrastructure.

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 3:19pm.

"The retail porncores got more game than the NSA."

True dat. They've driven the technology that delivers vide-hos (male or female) to desktops all over the planet.

Thanks for the correction vis a vis the net vs. the web. But holla back s'more on the question about chip technology manufacturing. Does it pose a potential threat to the underground railroad of the techno-age?

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 3:50pm.

But holla back s'more on the question about chip technology manufacturing. Does it pose a potential threat to the underground railroad of the techno-age?

It's never been a worse time to be a microsoft dependant coppertop...., but then you know, everything that lives must eat and it's simply in the natural order of things for these windoze addicted sleepers to get served, with no regard.

There won't be any fabrication, rootkitting, or other nefarious perpetration by "the man" that doesn't get outted by the freeborn loooooong in advance of its instantiation. If staying clear of "the man" requires that you start running bsd, which won't cooperate with any nefarious silicon, why even that's been made easy and placed within reach of the non-1l33t - yet vigilant - crowd.

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 4:22pm.

"It's never been a worse time to be a microsoft dependant coppertop"

Yep. I only use win-blows at work cuz I hafta. I been mac-ing it at home since '86.

Doesn't look like there's a mac version of BSD. Guess I'll hafta wait till mac rolls out the new line with the intel chips.

Submitted by dwshelf on December 2, 2005 - 4:35pm.

DW ... What cnulan said in rebuttal

Sometimes CN rebuts my postings, but this time he chose not to.  There's not a single counter-point in his response. Some ad hominem stuff. 

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 4:39pm.

"Some ad hominem stuff."

Love the ad hominem ... it goes good with rabbit.

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 5:03pm.

Doesn't look like there's a mac version of BSD.

Apple's open source Darwin operating system provides the kernel and low-level services for the Mac OS X operating system. Based on Mach, BSD, NeXTStep, and FreeBSD, Darwin shares many components with the FreeBSD operating system, resulting in relatively easy transfer of new technologies between the two systems. The TrustedBSD MAC Framework, the access control extension technology developed by Network Associates Laboratories for the TrustedBSD Project, permits compile-time and run-time extension of the access control policy of the FreeBSD operating system, and includes sample modules implementing Biba integrity, MLS confidentiality, and the SELinux FLASK/TE model.

Here's the STIG for OS-X, so you can lock at sumbitch down tighter'n a rabbits asshole....,

Submitted by Ourstorian on December 2, 2005 - 5:18pm.

Dayyum... I can't wait to hunker down in the crib with dat sucker. You am da man!

Submitted by cnulan on December 2, 2005 - 5:52pm.

There's not a single counter-point in his response.

This;

Cyberspace is far more comfortable with analyzing the unimpeded flow of money, and providing lessons learned as education, such that productive people can and will be able to get sufficient money for themselves, and pass some of it along in ways which move others into being able to collect their own. Controlling the flow of money seems not only hard in this context, but generally undesirable. Money flows in quite optimal ways all by itself, there are very few opportunities to increase it. There are plenty of ways to dam it up, but they all have the effect or reducing the flow, which yields less money for everyone.

????????????????

meaningless torrent of chindribble, left me momentarily stunned. Kind of like being accosted by a street preacher with Turettes syndrome. You can't completely ignore them, but at the same time, you don't want to encourage any more disjointed sermonizing than is absolutely necessary.

Submitted by ConPermiso on December 2, 2005 - 7:20pm.

just want to add a bit on the internet stuff...with respect to the infrastructural nature of the internet, the government was coopted by telecom and engineering companies as soon as world war ii was over.  it's got to be the biggest jack in history:  using a completely government funded infrastructure (lines, code, and facilities) without ANY kind of compensation whatsoever (see Brock 2004, Schiller 2001, and anyone else talking political economy of the infosphere). 

like CN said earlier, the men-in-black are completely at the mercy of the telcos (and now the cable companies) when it comes to telecommunications policy.  the FCC is a tool; the Department of Commerce is a tool; Congress is a tool.  Not not only did the telcos privatize the US system, the model was so tight they used it (with the willing cooperation of the US Dept of State) to privatize telco networks in latin america and europe. 

Submitted by Temple3 on December 3, 2005 - 10:39am.

need a bit more on the brock and schiller references.

Submitted by ConPermiso on December 3, 2005 - 7:38pm.

Brock, G. (2003) The Second Information Revolution.  Harvard University Press

Schiller, D. (2000)  Digital Capitalism:  Networking the Global Market System.  MIT Press 

Submitted by keto on December 4, 2005 - 12:00pm.

Interesting the turn this conversation has taken. I for one think the existing telcos will have limited leverage over the government of country in general. That is because the infrastructure they own is not the only pipeline available for various types of info it conduits. Look at many rising third world countries where you can watch a movie or manage your funds on your cell phone-just one example.  Looking at the telcoms and cable companies, they seem to be in a pitched battle to stay alive in the next century, not poised to take over the world.

On another point, what struck me about the article is that this (supposed) conservative writer is striking at the meritocracy, but by using code words. This passage is most telling:

.....She and thousands like her knew nothing and cared less about the latest education-school theories. They were not theoreticians.

In elementary school teaching and many other areas, college degrees were a lot less important than they are today. You didn't need a journalism degree to be a reporter. You didn't need an MBA to go into business. In 1960, people still joked about "eggheads" and "college men" who made less money than their bosses — who might well have been high school dropouts. Experience counted, not college diplomas. This was a practical country, and proud of it.

No longer. Today you need a B.A. just to register on the nation's radar, and an advanced degree if you plan to be taken seriously. So naturally universities are vastly more influential than they used to be. .....

Everything railed against in this passage--theory, advanced degrees, university influence-- is what a meritocrat would say are vital to making sure the best and the brightest end up holding the reins. This author is rejecting merit for ideology (or finally dropping the pretense), which I find interesting.

Submitted by cnulan on December 4, 2005 - 2:07pm.

Everything railed against in this passage--theory, advanced degrees, university influence-- is what a meritocrat would say are vital to making sure the best and the brightest end up holding the reins. This author is rejecting merit for ideology (or finally dropping the pretense), which I find interesting.

ROTFLMBAO!!! whew....,

I've never previously encountered the suggestion that the academy is even a theoretical, much less practical, meritocratic force vector.., my academic exposure is limited to science and engineering disciplines, perhaps the influence of social networks is less pronounced in the liberal and fine arts...,

Submitted by cnulan on December 4, 2005 - 2:26pm.

Look at many rising third world countries where you can watch a movie or manage your funds on your cell phone-just one example.

Last I looked, telcos still dominated the wireless spectrum, and to O's earlier concern about big brother hardware, it just doesn't get any more Orwellian than cellular/GPS locater services. Radiofrequency dominance and its associated governance scheme is by no means uncontested.., and with VoIP this is even more the case. Lot of nifty opensource tools in this area, some of which me and my cronies have been doing our basement researches on for near term application.

Seems to me your example of G3 cellular features/functions only calls into question the dominance of the computer as a multi-purpose end-user communications device. You'll get no argument from me about that, though I'm frankly much more curious about the end-game objectives of initiatives such as this one.