On Guns

by Prometheus 6
December 27, 2003 - 7:18am.
on Seen online

Steve Gilliard (now with permalinks for your enjoyment) has an interesting write-up on guns and gun control. This is a long quote but Mr. Gilliard has a lot more for you.

The reality is that there will probably be no uniform law to cover guns across the US. More importantly, there shouldn't be. Urban residents have the right to live with far greater gun controls than rural residents. The idea of walking around Detroit with concealed weapons is insane. At the same time, telling some guy who lives 45 minutes away from a county sheriff that he doesn't need a gun is insulting. All the cops are going to do is find a crime scene by the time they get there. Yet, both sides play the game as if the other side doesn't matter.

Anyone who says guns actually protect people need to spend a week in an ER and see all the stupid ways people handle guns. There may be no gun accidents, but there is a hell of a lot of gun negligence. More importantly, every time the NRA pumps up the fear of their members, some idiot thinks the feds are his enemy. Look, cops make mistakes, sometimes bad ones, but we don't have the RUC in this country. The police don't collaborate with terrorists to repress you.

More importantly, the way we deal with guns in this country is a national security crisis in the making. Air France had to cancel six flights to LA because they feared another showy Al Qaeda attack. One day, AQ or their follow on group is going to figure out John Muhammad had the right idea to spread terror and will send out hunter killer teams and use car bombs. They won't be breaking any laws as they collect sniper rifles, assault rifles and the technology used by special forces teams today. They're not going to play around with sniping, either. They're going to run a full assault on a US target and it will be hell to dislodge them. They're still in their statement phase, but that's going to end one day and when they figure out John Muhammad shut down DC in a way 9/11 didn't shut down New York, all hell will break lose. In private sales and with conversion kits, some poor local swat team is going to run into a commando assault team with weapons as good as theirs and better training.

The Hollywood shootout a couple of years back indicates exactly what kind of risk this could be. Two guys with AK's robbed a bank and when the cops showed up, they were little better than targets. It took hundreds of cops and begging the owner of a local gun store for enough weapons to hold these guys off. They had Kevlar and weapons and the cops were going to die in place. This wasn't a street gang, or sophisticated robbers, but two nuts with a lot of weapons, body armor and no fear of cops. There wasn't any place to hide, or any cover, and they were using regular AK rounds. No special bullets, nothing you couldn't get from a store.

Now, place that scenario in oh, the National Theater or National Gallery of Art. No subtlety, no finesse, just 30 guys showing up, loaded for bear and ready to die. Toss in a couple of car bombs around DC and you have a recipe for pure panic. The cops will be running around like headless chickens, chasing bombs and the jihad commandos show up and kill people for sport all with American made and sold weapons. We assume 9/11 was the worst thing possible, and it wasn't and you don't need nearly impossible to procure nukes or difficult to make chemical or bioweapons. Just blow up ten cars in any city at rush hour and you'll have more panic than you can imagine. Toss in shooters and you have utter chaos.

And why and how will they be able to do this? Because we have a wide open market for guns, no licensing for ownership, no uniform rules for private sales, laws which vary from state to state and lax enforcement. All dedicated terrorists have to do is use these laws to their advantaged the way right-wing kooks have done so far. The right to bear arms is not a suicide pact.

What to do?

First, pass uniform standards to ensure that every state has the same basic procedures on gun purchasing and residency. New laws are less important than enforcing the laws we have, but that's not enough. Encouraging people to take a realistic assessment of their need for gun ownership would also help. A lot of people have fantasies of gunning down home burglers when it is far more likely that they will kill their spouse. I feel for any woman who thinks a handgun in her purse will save her from a larger, more determined man. He is as likely t o take her gun as she is to fire it. The same with home protection, the number one thing burglars steal are handguns. It is amazing that people sleep with loaded guns under their pillows. Who are they going to shoot from a dead sleep? Their kids? . A robber is awake and ready to shoot and probably cranked up out of his mind.

Guns can and do save lives, in the hands of trained users who practice frequently. The FBI's hostage rescue team shoots 10,000 rounds of ammo a year. Delta Force as much or more. If you made gun ownership contingent on regular training alone, accidents would drop dramatically and people would be safer.

The fact is that the NRA, which takes extremist positions, and is now creating a blacklist, needs to be attacked for what it is, a den of reactionaries. Not the membership, who need alternatives to protect their rights, but the GOP owned leadership of the NRA. You can be pro-gun and pro-gun rights and against the NRA. They are, in many ways, emblematic of the GOP. They talk about rights, and then they promote an agenda that harms many of the people that support them. The way that they exploited Ruby Ridge and Waco and remained nearly silent about Oklahoma City shows you exactly where their hearts and heads are. They denigrated police officers killed in the line of duty, something a black activist would have been excoriated for from every newspaper in the United States. Yet, the NRA leadership allies in Congress dragged the agents up and smacked them around for sport, while Randy Weaver, wackjob who placed his family in danger and is responsible for the death of a US marshal, was treated with utmost courtesy. When blacks tried that in Philadelphia, the black mayor burnt down a third of West Philly. You could see the fires from U Penn.

Their power is acquired by their vast membership who is fed a diatribe of propaganda about their "rights" and is abetted by well-meaning, but ultimately wrong headed gun control advocates. The constitution is clear that some gun ownership is a basic right. The issue is how we negotiate that ownership between the rights of the gun owner and the safety of the general public. We aren't going to make real changes by altering cosmetics on weapons. An M-1 Carbine is still a very effective killer, so is an M-1 rifle. They may not be flashy, but they'll stop a home invasion cold. Nor are we going to make changes by encouraging more gun ownership.

Given a choice, I'd suggest more people own Airsoft guns and allowing them to use them in ranges. Most target shooting can be accomplished with non-lethal weapons. As far as home protection goes, alter the insurance codes to demand homes with guns have trained gun owners and offer discounts for those who engage in regular training. Underwrite the costs of the training as well. Institute product liability laws for guns to prevent cheap, poorly made weapons from flooding the market. Enforce the gun laws when applicable and sue store owners who permit shadow purchases as well as the people who perform them. Avoid national policies on guns when local policies may ultimately be more effective and allow localities like DC to protect themselves from Virginia's gun laws. Finally, make it far more difficult to sell guns privately. Controlling private gun sales and things like sales outside gun show sales can be controlled.

We need to make sure that there is a balance between the rights of gun owners and the right not to be shot by some idiot with a weapon.

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Submitted by Al-Muhajabah (not verified) on December 27, 2003 - 9:55am.

It's interesting to compare this with the "White Terror" article from the Black Commentator that you posted. Gilliard is worrying a lot about al-Qaida terrorists in the future, but maybe we should be worrying more about white supremacist terrorists right now. They're already building these kinds of stockpiles.

Submitted by Phelps (not verified) on January 2, 2004 - 1:42am.

He's absolutely wrong about the right to bear arms. It is a suicide pact -- it is the constitution granting the people the right to destroy it when they decide to. If Al Queda did execute an attack like that, most every gun control law we have would quickly be thrown out the window, from the AWB to the Act of 32. I would be able to buy beer, drugs, guns and hand grenades all in drive-throughs on my way home from work. (That would be nice, but I don't want to pay that price.)He's a little disingenous on his "rounds fired" statistic, too. I'm assuming that he is keeping police in the category of "trained users." If so, he should take a look at his average cop, a lot of whom fire 250 rounds a year -- the amount it takes them to qualify for the force. That's it. I shoot 250 rounds on a 2 hour trip to the range.(I would have commented this on the fruitcake thread, but it was closed when I got to it. There was indeed some symbolism there, but in all fairness, I got one for myself too. Collin Street Bakery does good shit.I'm thinking a big tin of nuts next year.)

Submitted by P6 (not verified) on January 2, 2004 - 10:28am.

There was indeed some symbolism there, but in all fairness, I got one for myself too. Collin Street Bakery does good shit.

That they do, and the tin makes a nice stash.
I'm thinking a big tin of nuts next year.
You hang out here for another year and I'll send you a bag of assorted balls as a symbolic gift.

Submitted by phelps (not verified) on January 2, 2004 - 5:39pm.

My other idea was to trade tinfoil lined hats with you, but I don't know what size either of us is. I'm partial to fedoras.

Submitted by Al-Muhajabah (not verified) on January 2, 2004 - 6:05pm.

Tin foil headscarves also work very well, I've found.

Submitted by P6 (not verified) on January 2, 2004 - 6:17pm.

You need to give up on tin, though. Aluminum is lighter, has a higher natural albedo and is much more readily available.

Submitted by Al-Muhajabah (not verified) on January 3, 2004 - 12:39am.

I've been told that but I'm kind of a traditionalist in this matter and don't want to give up on my tinfoil veil for a new-fangled aluminum foil veil.