Eleanor Clift vs Prometheus 6

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on April 17, 2005 - 8:38am.
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Eleanor Clift, The McLaughlin Report, April 17, 2005:

Progressive Democrats last week came out with an interesting tax idea, that is, why don't we tax wealth, uh capital and earnings at the same rate, wages at the same rate. Right now the working man pays more on the money that he puts his blood sweat and tears out for than people uh, get on capital that just sits there. It's an interesting idea and we're going to hear more about it.

Prometheus 6, Oldspeak vs. Newspeak, August 1, 2004.

Unearned income (as defined by the US Tax code) is taxed at a much lower rate than earned income. In the U.S. Tax code, unearned income is privileged over earned income, and in Republican political and economic policy even more so.

People whose earned income is taxed at 40% can be subsidized if their income is mostly of the unearned sort.

Remember that when Republicans talk about keeping your "hard earned money." Their tax cuts are almost all on the unearned type of income.

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on April 17, 2005 - 1:04pm.

There is a logic to the idea that all forms of revenue streams are ultimately "income". It is untrue of course, that capital " just sits there", that's specious unless you have your money in a mattress but theoretically, you could lower income taxes by creating a single tax rate that covers all bases.

However that's probably not the intent here. The likely Progressive interest is simply a tax hike on capital gains- ppl in the 40 % bracket are the evil rich so they won't get anything - and ultimately resecuring high marginal rates on all forms of taxation that prevailed from the New Deal to the Kennedy Tax cuts. The Progressives are not going to drop the potential of using the tax code as a social engineering tool just to get a neat and tidy harmonization of tax rates either.

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on April 19, 2005 - 2:34pm.

Damn it, Mark, you must register so your comments show up immediately. I'm in the middle of a lot of crap and forgot to check for comments needing approval for three days.

Submitted by James R MacLean on April 20, 2005 - 8:15pm.

I've read a lot of progressive position papers, and "evil rich" has yet to crop up. On the other hand, conservative writers take a manifestly scornful attitude towards any method used by the less-wealthy to reduce their own tax burden. Look, if someone uses legal methods to reduce the taxes she pays, you'd think that was smart, no? But if when that same person, out of self-interest, joins a union or a lobbying group to resist the code re-writing promoted by the Heritage Foundation, then we hear ridicule and shouts of "class warfare."

Isn't it the conservatives who are supposed to believe in the virtue of selfishness?

Gee whiz.

Submitted by James R MacLean on April 20, 2005 - 8:33pm.

Notice, Mark, P6 says "Unearned" income, not "just sitting there."

I checked.

An income stream from a trust fund is 1st best thing to tax, because the taxation will not de-motivate the owner from working. It might--might--de-motivate a wage earner from building up a legacy for offspring, but my econ textbooks agree that the historic effect of estate taxes on labor supply is not statistically significant.

The important thing is, given the fact that there has to be some state revenue, taxes on unearned income are the least disruptive and least distorting. Taxes on economic rents (such as monopoly rents) are a second best.