I want you to carefully consider what this says about mainstream America

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 12, 2006 - 12:33pm.
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The Black Commentator

In the unkindest cut imaginable, more than 20 Congressional Black Caucus members last week discovered that they were to be “scrubbed” from the list of co-sponsors of the Voting Rights Act Extension bill. Bowing to pressures from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), CBC Chairman Mel Watt (D-NC) informed selected Members about the purge at a meeting on Wednesday, May 3 in which he explained the rationale for stripping down the list: it was too heavily Black.

According to a number of congressional sources, Pelosi and her Senate and GOP counterparts were concerned that Voting Rights Act Extension should not be viewed as a “racial” issue! – therefore, the excess African American co-sponsors had to go. True to past form and practice, Rep. Watt carried Pelosi’s water, while retaining a place for himself on the co-sponsor list, sources told the CBC Monitor.

Staffers for several CBC members reported that the new, “bi-partisan” co-sponsorship configuration will include Pelosi and House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert (R-IL), House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Ranking Member John Conyers, Jr., and Senate Democratic and Republican leaders Harry Reid (NV) and Bill Frist (TN), respectively. As a token sop to Blacks, Mel Watt and Georgia Rep. John Lewis would also join the list.

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Submitted by ptcruiser on May 12, 2006 - 3:53pm.
... and the Democratic Party and the vision and leadership of members of the Congressional Black Caucus. If the issue was about finding some additional way to put the screws to Cuba nobody in either Congressional leadership caucus would care two turds in the gutter if every Hispanic member of the House signed on or not as a cosponsor. But let the issue come down to something that black folks consider important, nay, struggled and died for, then these folks want to pull out the race card and play how many black folks can dance on a hanging chad.
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 12, 2006 - 6:55pm.

Again, Black folks's interests are something to be traded to soothe the feelings of the mainstream.

And yes, I take particular note of the CBC and DLC's part in this. 

Submitted by ptcruiser on May 13, 2006 - 7:04am.
I doubt if the mainstream cares one way or another about the extension of the protections of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. I think this is more an example of how black folks interests or political capital can be traded to accommodate the covert racists in the Republican and Democratic Congressional Caucuses. Folks in the so-called American heartland are not jumping up and down about this issue.   
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 13, 2006 - 8:38am.
I think this is more an example of how black folks interests or political capital can be traded to accommodate the covert racists in the Republican and Democratic Congressional Caucuses.

That's why I take particular note of who was involved. I'm close to classifying the DLC as an active enemy instead of being just greedy and ignorant.

Black folks need to get more involved in the primary process. DLC vs. Republican is no choice at all for Black folks.

Submitted by ptcruiser on May 13, 2006 - 1:16pm.
I judged the DLC to be an active enemy prior to the ascension of Clinton I. This is a overgeneralization, but with regard to the interests of black folks, I see the DLC as a group of white folks who want to hold on to black voters while giving these same voters nothing in return except a hard way to go. What is worse these folks have convinced so-called black leaders like Mel Watts that it is in their best interests to trade away black folks' political capital not for anything tangible other than the right to continue voting for presidential, senatorial and congressional Democratic candidates who support the DLC's agenda. 
Submitted by ptcruiser on May 13, 2006 - 1:21pm.

I forgot to add that if the DLC truly believes that its agenda and program is the greatest thing since sliced bread why doesn't it form its own political party rather than trying to browbeat millions of Democratic voters into foregoing their political principles and belief and adopting the Republican lite policies of the DLC?

The DLC shouldn't find it too difficult to attract willing buyers for its program of Democratic Party Recovery because bullshit is still a bargain even these days.  

Submitted by Temple3 on May 13, 2006 - 2:22pm.


It's not clear to me how being removed from the sponsor list makes an impact. Isn't the sponsorship of bills how Congresspersons establish their track record? I would imagine that most of the 20 come from communities where their personal sponsorship of the bill means little. It seems to me that the CBC should have been looking for white sponsors of the bill.

Is the sponsor list secondary to the actual language of the bill? Did the CBC ensure that the bill is adequate for future concerns or not? This I don't know. As for other issues like farm subsidies and trade with Africa, it would seem the CBC has been as ineffective as tits on a bull. This is one of the single biggest issues that they should be addressing - but have been wholly ineffective here.

I'm not trying to dismiss what Pelosi did. I just don't get the import of it - given the way I understand the CBC and the bill-making process to work. Holla back y'all.

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 13, 2006 - 3:10pm.

The Voting Rights Act IS a racial issue. The fact that Republicans need to add their names gratuitously and remove the names of Black legislators is proof. If it wasn't a racial issue, the Republicans could have simply added their names to the list.

This lets Republicans off the hook for their efforts to undermine the act (like Georgia's poll tax disguised as an ID card). It undermines every legitimate claim of racism.

The problem is Pelosi et al have traded this truth to show the people who are the fucking heart of the problem that they're a-okay.  

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 13, 2006 - 3:20pm.

But if you want to stick to politics, how about this:

Black Republicans run against CBC members, and their campaign is like, "This guy didn't even co-sponsor the renewal of the Voting Rights Act! You know how important that act is for our political future. Pelosi and Hasturt co-sponsored, why not him?

What a Black Democrat going to say to that?

I signed up to sponsor the bill immediately, of course. Democratic party leaders, including the head of the CBC, took my name off the list of co-sponsors against my wishes. I'm not even saying they kept me off...I was on it, and they removed me.

I should put that shit in a post so folks who don't read comments can see it.  

The DLC is demonstrating they are still working with the assumption that Black folks have no choice. But we do...we can vote against the DLC candidates in the primaries. Black people are a large enough voting block to make them lose.

 

Submitted by ptcruiser on May 13, 2006 - 3:45pm.

It's not clear to me how being removed from the sponsor list makes an impact.

This move has an effect on the very ability of black elected officials to demonstrate in a public way their support for issues that matter a great deal to the overwhelming majority of their constituents. In addition, by removing the names of black sponsors and substituting the names of white Republicans this move gives this group of Republicans the kind of cover among black voters that they haven't earned and don't deserve. This gang of mountebanks and bounders will use their sponsorship of this legislation to falsely assert, for example, that there is an unbroken line of commitment to civil rights on the part of the GOP stretching back to 1965 when a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate did for the Voting Rights Act to the present day when they proudly added their names sponsors to this legislation.

This will allow them to ignore and hope that we will forget how this same political party consciously and intentionally adopted a strategy in 1968 to woo, placate and cater to so-called disaffected southern white Democrats angry about the end of state enforced racial segregation and the restoration of black people's civil rights. The GOP will link their sponsorship of this bill with their votes in 1965 and use this false linkage to change the subject about their behavior during the past 40 years with respect to black people's issues.

If Rep. Watts can't see the back door move being put on him then how in the world did this kneegrow become the leader of the CBC? 

Submitted by DarkStar on May 13, 2006 - 4:37pm.

I just checked out HR 9 at the Thomas web site. Here's the list of people who introduced the bill:

 

Mr. SENSENBRENNER (for himself, Mr. HASTERT, Ms. PELOSI, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. CHABOT, Mr. NADLER, Mr. WATT, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. TOWNS, Mr. SCOTT of Georgia, Mrs. CHRISTENSEN, Mr. OWENS, Mr. CLYBURN, Ms. LEE, Mr. SCOTT of Virginia, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. JEFFERSON, Ms. NORTON, Ms. KILPATRICK of Michigan, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. HONDA, Mr. GONZALEZ, and Mrs. NAPOLITANO)

 

And here is the list of cosponsers. The number is 112.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR00009:@@@P

 

So, something isn't right.

 

Submitted by Temple3 on May 14, 2006 - 11:09am.

There are some big names at the top (Conyers, Lewis, Waters, Jackson-Lee, etc.) who may or may not have raised challenges to this maneuver. Before suggesting that this could have adverse impacts on Black Democrats, I'd like to know their position - and their tactical approach to this concession as a negotiating piece with Republicans. It seems simplistic to argue that Black folk will be unduly influenced by a Republican campaign based on the Voting Rights Act. The VRA is still an important issue for Black folk, but I believe black folk have been pretty sophisticated in national elections. A Republican candidate's profile will not align to black issues simply through endorsement of the VRA. It sounds like the sponsorship list was traded for a more tangible benefit that has yet to be unveiled. I don't believe in giving the benefit of the doubt to politicians. I simply think that Lewis, Conyers, Towns, Owens, Waters, et al, have enough clout and media access to blow the lid off of a Pelosi power move. While Fox and other networks might not want to cost Republicans the opportunity to jump on the VRA, they would also be inclined to highlight discord within the party. Any thoughts??
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 14, 2006 - 11:55am.
It seems simplistic to argue that Black folk will be unduly influenced by a Republican campaign based on the Voting Rights Act.
White folk will be, though. And THAT'S the argument...that they are giving cover to racists rather than exposing them. 
Submitted by Temple3 on May 14, 2006 - 11:58am.


Republicans DO NOT need "cover" among white folks on any issue relating to race. I don't think that's the point at all. Moreover, they don't need "cover" to elicit votes from Democrats - that's how the "Southern Strategy" worked.

You're on the slippery slope to taking up Shelby Steele's argument about white guilt - and I know you don't wanna end up there.  Democrats, from what I'm reading of the issue, stand to gain in two ways...they are getting Republicans to vote for something they would typically oppose (and granting the opportunity to enlist another concession).  I could be wrong about that - but I think there is a PART II to this.

Otherwise, it simply seems silly.  If the old guard CBC goes along with this - and that's the only "piece" of the deal, it's a waste of time and effort.  I'm waiting on Part II.

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 14, 2006 - 2:46pm.

Steele was wrong in saying White Guilt is the reason we're so merciful in our wars, not least because we're not all that merciful.

But white people have a race problem too...it just isn't the one WE have .

I won't deny a fact because an idiot used it in a twisted way.

Submitted by Temple3 on May 15, 2006 - 7:01am.

how does that race problem translate into Republicans needing cover (proactive - in this case) to get white votes. I could see if the issue was, "We didn't oppose VRA." In this case, that's not the issue. It's above and beyond the call of Cauc-cover. As such, there should be another component to the deal. If not, it's merely silly asleep at the wheel politics as was stated above. In which case, the real concern would be...Now that this issue has hit the Black Commentator, CBC reps should be on the case addressing the issue and the challenge that Pelosi figures to pose for the next coming years. (All this assumes the Senate/House voting alignment issue is correct.)
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 15, 2006 - 7:24am.
how does that race problem translate into Republicans needing cover (proactive - in this case) to get white votes.

Centrist white folks do not want to vote for open racists. They DO want to vote for people that "protect their interests." 

This is the form that compromise takes. 

Submitted by Temple3 on May 16, 2006 - 7:51am.

Who fits the classification of an "open racist" that has failed to get centrist white votes in America in the past 20 years. An open racist is not the same as an extreme racist. You can be one or the other or both - at the same time. David Duke was both. Still W seems, to me, to be an example of the first case that has garnered millions of centrist votes. I don't see that trend in white voting patterns. Perhaps you could illuminate. Republicans can come up with millions of arguments (couched in race neutral language) for opposing VRA - and still secure the "centrist white vote." Don't you think?
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 16, 2006 - 8:33am.
Who fits the classification of an "open racist" that has failed to get centrist white votes in America in the past 20 years.

Pat Robertson. That's off the top of my head.

George Bush is not openly racist, as white folks see things.

Republicans can come up with millions of arguments (couched in race neutral language) for opposing VRA - and still secure the "centrist white vote." Don't you think?

Sure, but your parenthetical is key. Why couch things in race neutral language?

Because most white people will not vote for openly racist candidates. At least, that's been the case since the late 1960's. Things are getting hot now, thanks to the immigration debate.

Submitted by Temple3 on May 16, 2006 - 9:03am.

is used across the board for most things. The code-words for "race" issues and "race-baiting" are known by whites and blacks. Still, Robertson electability has to do with much more than his "open racism." I think Black folk may be the last people still casting votes for preachers. Anyway, the race neutral is ubiquitous. It's in education, the military, health care, agricultural subsidies, finance, banking, real estate, and everywhere else we look. Sponsoring the VRA is a full step or three above scripting race-neutral language. My point was that scripting would be sufficient - and that sponsoring goes beyond what is required. Given that it goes beyond what is required, I wanted to see the second act of this political play. Moreover, since sponsoring goes beyond what's needed, it would seem silly for Black Democrats to allow it without nary a whimper of opposition IF there was no second act. Feel me now?
Submitted by Prometheus 6 on May 16, 2006 - 9:40am.
Still, Robertson electability has to do with much more than his "open racism."

You asked...

I think Black folk may be the last people still casting votes for preachers.

The upcoming third party will shock the shit out of you. No joke.

My point was that scripting would be sufficient

My point is that scripting is necessary. I was responding to this:

Republicans DO NOT need "cover" among white folks on any issue relating to race. I don't think that's the point at all. Moreover, they don't need "cover" to elicit votes from Democrats - that's how the "Southern Strategy" worked.

You're on the slippery slope to taking up Shelby Steele's argument about white guilt - and I know you don't wanna end up there.

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Given that it goes beyond what is required, I wanted to see the second act of this political play. Moreover, since sponsoring goes beyond what's needed, it would seem silly for Black Democrats to allow it without nary a whimper of opposition IF there was no second act. Feel me now?

On this point, I always did. Hence the outrage because if they had actually been scrubbed there is no second act other than a massive cash payment to personal Swiss accounts that would make it worthwhile for the CBC members.

Submitted by Temple3 on May 16, 2006 - 2:21pm.

ok. I think the bottom line is that while I think race-neutral language is ubiquitous, it's no longer "neutral" because we all know the code words. Our willingness to traffic in euphemisms is not an indicator of white folks resistance to "open racists." It's a reflection of a learned aversion to ugliness. It's not much different than American "fuel" on issues like homelessness, etc. So, the language can be necessary - but not meaningful; and sufficient without being a litmus test. I guess that's the nut for me. Does the use of this language constitute a litmus test for repubs seeking the white vote - I don't think so - even though I appreciate the logic of your argument.