Proof I'm not a civil rights leader

Submitted by Prometheus 6 on August 18, 2006 - 8:21am.
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Ah, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew...

In the interview, published yesterday in The Los Angeles Sentinel, a weekly, Mr. Young said that Wal-Mart “should” displace mom-and-pop stores in urban neighborhoods.

“You see those are the people who have been overcharging us,” he said of the owners of the small stores, “and they sold out and moved to Florida. I think they’ve ripped off our communities enough. First it was Jews, then it was Koreans and now it’s Arabs.”

The state of things being what it is, you had to resign. I understand. But let's be real.

Poor pay more for services, study says
S.F. has high density of check cashers

- Leslie Fulbright, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 18, 2006

(07-18) 04:00 PDT Washington -- Low-income residents of 13 cities across the nation pay extra for many everyday services, sometimes thousands of dollars more over a whole year, a study to be released today shows.

By taking out higher-interest mortgages, shopping at rent-to-own furniture stores, using check-cashing businesses instead of banks and buying groceries at convenience stores, the nation's working poor households pay much more than moderate- and high-income households for life's essentials, says the Brookings Institution study, which analyzed services in San Francisco, Oakland and 11 other cities.

The report -- "From Poverty, Opportunity: Putting the Market to Work for Lower-Income Families" -- calls on government officials to create laws to curb services that gouge low-income consumers, and it proposes reproducing fledgling programs the authors found across the country.

This is the Brookings Institute, people. Here's the report under discussion... the overcharging charge wasn't pulled from a hat.

As for identifying the overchargers, let us see if a less-specific designation..."well-funded immigrants"...sits better in folks' minds. Think about it. Where is a new entrepreneur most likely to be able to afford to open a business: Beverly Hills or Watts? It is TOTALLY their intent to invest, accrue and flip the business.

Poor neighborhoods are like the gateway to immigrant wealth.

Hired when workers are needed, released first because hired last when things slow down, I've long thought of Black folks as capacitors in the economic circuitry.

Why don't U-People want to just accept the way things are and work to get ahead?

I need to use a metaphor for this one. Euro-American economic development has depended on extracting the value of the efforts of others. In the USofA, this has meant leveraging Black people. It's very much as if you had to get over a chasm using one of those teeter-totter arrangements Wile E. Coyote uses. . . you know, where you stand on one end of a lever, toss a heavy weight on the other end and you are catapulted forward. The USofA has used Black people as that heavy weight. The weight, in this case, has been the forced and spontaneous products of Black activity.

What we are offered now, at best, is an opportunity to toss some of our own people on the other end of our lever, to fuel our progress at the expense of others of our people.

This is not acceptable.

Jews, Koreans and Arabs can be identified but it's the nature of the game that's responsible. The very economic ground is tilted to make setting up shop and overcharging folks who have little choice of markets a rational choice.

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Submitted by Temple3 on August 18, 2006 - 8:43am.
Much of what Andrew Young said was right on. New York, DC, Detroit, Chicago. This stuff is common sense - just as the Brookings Institution has noted. The various civil rights groups are simply doing what they do. This is part and parcel of the policy of non-economic liberalism promoted by Joel Spingarn and others. When civil rights groups choose not to discuss the ECONOMICS of their own communities (as the institutional leadership for American Jews, Asians and Arabs (not necessarily Muslim) have tended not to) there is a pretext seeking to obfuscate context. Andrew is too old to be apologizing to Civil Rights groups for bullshit. Then again, if he hadn't spent so much time in them, he might be able to tell them to step off. More importantly, the solution is not phukkin' WalMart. And since the civil righters graduate to the schools of corporate representation and signification, what else would he be expected to say? It's a ho-ass move, but not for the reasons explicated in the article. Thanks for the link on the stink. Foul!!!

By the way, I could get down right empirical if I needed to.  For now, I'm sure the millions of black folks with anecdotes attesting to his veracity will suffice.  
Submitted by GDAWG on August 18, 2006 - 9:21am.
I think the report you cite P6, and Andy's "Politically Incorrect" comments are on the mark! Nuff said!
Submitted by Temple3 on August 18, 2006 - 10:03am.
because this hits at the heart of the temporal and spatial limitations of civil rights collaboration across culture groups. i mean you have folks whose college educations were financed by the same practices they're now denying. yesterday they were all the studious children of hard-working immigrants who arrived with nothing...today they're the mysterious no-where men whose parents did nothing of the sort. ghosts in the machine.
Submitted by GDAWG on August 18, 2006 - 11:05am.
Yeah. It's a sort of endemic hypocrisy that borders on pathology. That is,  a pathology or disease of self deception, and frank hatred of any modicum of Black upper mobility to any significant degree. The quest, in my opinion is to find out how to neutralize these pyschological obstacles that unltimately have physical ramifications in our community. These obstacles are now manifested in the form of less access to "a good education" for a lot of our people, such as in NYC, where, this past two weeks have been reports that Blacks in NYC are decreasing in numbers, not attending the "elite " educational 'public' institutions such as the High schools and colleges that heretofore had been "free" and had "open admissions". Different arena, but the same inhibitory actions and results for us but not for them.
Submitted by Temple3 on August 18, 2006 - 12:41pm.
If CRM groups and creature preachers had pursued high quality schools and run out inadequate teachers (and run out the union/democrats - think OceanHill/Brownsville with a commitment to much more than local control - movement was hijacked by poverty pimps, etc.)instead of integrated schools, this academic performance question would be moot.
Submitted by GDAWG on August 18, 2006 - 1:23pm.
T3, Perhaps you're correct in your descripton of the matter, but I'm of the opinion that it's a more "systemic or systematic problem that is endemic in our historical narrative because the issue of disfunctional early and mid-level education for our children is nation-wide irregardless of the presence of the ubitquetous PPs, and knitwit colored politicians.
Submitted by GDAWG on August 18, 2006 - 2:19pm.
Moreover T3 a further eprusal of NYT piece of today affirms what my thesis that although PPS are a problem, the matter with NYC dates back to 1971 when the NY state legislature passed a law that to enter the elite public high schools a "competitive test would solely be the criteria, as though all education in NY has been, or is equal, in terms of Teacher quality, funding resources, and books to name but a few,  as have been proven not to be true by the later Judge Degrasse Decision noted and for which the current governor is fighting like hell. So its much more than ignorant politicians and PPs. Finally this is how, systematically, our people are institutionally disadvantaged and then made to look as though it's their own inherent fault, and as shown by the lessening numbers of our kids in these so called elite schools and colleges for example. And I'm sure one could prove that in other spheres of our existence is similarly affected. 
Submitted by Temple3 on August 18, 2006 - 2:37pm.
I believe our children can do excellent work, but are principally handicapped by the schools they attend from an early age. The home environment contributes to some of these challenges, but empirical studies place a greater share of the responsibility on teacher quality. Teacher quality and seniority placement preferences are the cornerstone of the teacher's union's battle with administrators. Can Susie teach where she wants to teach after 20 years in the system? Can the "best" teachers teach in the best schools under the leadership of the "best" administrators? Of course they can - as long as the union throws its support behind democratic candidates who can count on unlimited support from preachers and their flock - and the pp's. Merit pay, teacher quality standards, performance evaluations that lead to firing...all anathema to the union...cornerstones of competition and diligence...all anathema. And this question of quality and teacher expectations cannot be minimized because the point is moot by the time children reach high school. The fact that test scores are required to go to Bx. Science, Stuyvesant and Tech is beside the point. If our kids were attending schools with the teachers and principals and textbooks and science and math labs they deserved, test scores would be the least of their worries. Leland DeGrasse's decision is most important because the governor has thumbed his nose at the court and said "Phuck you" - and there is no unanimous chorus from democrats and teachers! They're curiously silent...they're talking about bullshit issues like charter schools because charters represent the vanguard of a movement to privatize all American schools. Of course the union should be concerned about this - but DeGrasse's decision is considerably more important and should have set off a fire in their corps, but it didn't.

The union serves as a gatekeeper and while the administrations bear blame for discriminatory testing bars, if asian and white kids can do the work (and I believe it's mostly to do with the quality of their teachers, the quality of their instructional materials, and the expectation of excellence within the classroom), I know good and damn well that black kids can do it. In England, where these issues have not come to a head, Africans are outperforming white english kids. So, I certainly believe the collusion and deafening silence of democrats and teachers on these issues are fundamental to the education issues facing our children.

Any test that is worth passing can and will be passed by our children - as long as they have the proper preparation. To the extent that our own people and others undermine that preparation, they are culpable for the results. I believe we agree in spirit, but in principle, I have to reiterate that the stonewalling by the union (and the corruption of school administrators) coupled with the depoliticizing action of the democrats has delivered the death blow.
Submitted by GDAWG on August 18, 2006 - 3:13pm.
T3. Holla! I agree with effing word you say! The story now is that we have the proper analysis, now how do we get our knitwits and nimkunpoots to do the right thing by our folks?
Submitted by Temple3 on August 18, 2006 - 3:48pm.
I have to head to a wedding - but I wanna pick this up again. I would have responded earlier, but I was in transit.

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